What you mean is that you do not see evidence of a spiritual function that
convinced you. Evidence does not have to be overwhelming to be examined.
If you disregarded all evidence that was initially presented to you, you
would have to disregard all subsequent evidence as well. In other words if
you simply issue blanket denials of the significance of initial impressions
then you would be denying all impressions.
Now I might say that I have seen no evidence of aliens from outer space
taking world businesses over. However, that is not the same as saying that
I have never seen any evidence of the possibility that alien life from
another planet might exist. Carl Sagan's billions and billions of stars for
example may be taken as evidence of the possibility that life off this
planet might exist.
This issue of what may count as initial evidence is a proper AI question. I
believe that the questions of what constitutes enough specification
or generalization and how much open mindedness would be best for moving
toward greater insight is major issue. Although I cannot answer those
questions I have found a opening here. One is found by restating the
assertion as a possibility and the other is a play between
generalization and specification. So if there is no strong evidence for a
strong assertion it can be weakened to a statement of possibility. And if
specific evidence does not exist (the aliens from Andromeda announced their
intention to take over Google) then a statement may be made more general (is
there a possibility that aliens exist on other planets in other star
systems?)
The method of greater generalization however, seems to stand in contrast to
the original statement that all mind (or consciousness) is spiritual. That
statement seems to suffer from being too strong and too general. However,
the subject of the excess of generalization is that "all consciousness is
spiritual". If someone said that some conscious thoughts are spiritual, its
denial would seem more absurd because many people do feel that the concept
of spirituality makes sense to them. So the strategy of making a statement
more general seems to conflict with predicate generalization of formal logic
that excludes the possibility that there may be more than one galaxy of
generalization to an idea. The statement that "all consciousness is..." is
a statement of absolute generalization. However, it actually narrows our
choices of evidence because we would have to find evidence of the assertion
for all consciousness! If we say that "some consciousness is..." we
actually have more possible evidence to choose from because only a few cases
have to be demonstrated to support the statement. I haven't quite figured
this out, but it seems like it might be important.
Jim Bromer
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Daniel <daniel.burke@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Your statement that "Consciousness is 100% a spiritual function", is based
> on what independently reproducable facts? The future is not set and not
> predictable, so you cannot say what will be developed in the future. I for
> one have seen no direct evidence of spiritual function in the brains
> mechanisms. It it all just a matter of complex interaction of cells. It is
> only a matter of time before we figure out how it works.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- In artificialintelligencegroup@yahoogroups.com, Bernard Mc Garry
> <buz90a@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > It was very interesting to read the article on consciouness, but do bear
> in mind
> > that true human consciounesses is 100% a spiritual function, so you will
> never
> > achieve it using physical materials or programs controlling silicon
> chips. The
> > nearest you will ever achieve to consciouness is some form of artificial
> 'self
> > awareness' which in its' self is not a spiritual function.
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > Bernard McGarry, BSc. MSc.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
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